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Hocam bu yorumlara ne dersiniz?

1)
http://ahmetrasimkucukusta.com/2015/10/16/yazilar/tip-yazilari/agiz-ve-dis-sagligi/florurlu-cila-dis-curuklerini-onler-mi/

2)http://www.meydangazetesi.com.tr/m/egitim/gerizekali-nesil-geliyor-h73348.html
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Siz hic, benim: "Fluorurlu Cila" tavsiye ettigimi duydunuz, gordunuzmu???
Zymafluor kullanin..

resimleri ile gosterdim, Disardan Turkiye'ye gelen Zymafluorlar, bir suru farkli ulkelerden geliyor.
Bir tek Turkiye'de satisi yok..
( Neden acaba???)  Eski maillerde anlattim, ayrica bu konu ile ilgili makalemi de yazarlar kismindan
okuyun..
Siz hic, bu tur doktorlarin Turk halki icin, ise yarar bir bilgi verdiklerini gordunuzmu??
Zymafluor firmasi bu doktoralara, rusvet verse idi, hepsi agiz degistirirdi..
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Teşekkür hocam flor dan bahsedildigi için gönderdim size... 
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Aynı A. Küçükustanın internet sayfasında C. Karatay'ın da yazısı var. Biliyorsunuz çocuğuma şeker verme kampayası başlattılar. Şimdi olay flora geldi. Florlu diş macunları ve florlu sulardaki tehlikelerden bahsediliyor. Dişler içinde florlama yapılmasın bunun yerine çocuğunuza dişini çürüten şeker vermeyin. Flor beyin fonksiyonlarını öldürüyor ve ilerki yaşlarda Ayzaymer hastalığına neden olduğundan bahsediliyor. Okuyunca insanda bir tansiyon düşüklüğü olmuyor değil ama yorumlar köşesinde bu yorumlara itiraz eden okuyucuları gördükçe acaba bu arkadaşlar KAdir Hocanın bilinçlendirdiği anneler mi yoksa diyede düşünmeden edemiyorum. Savunmasını bir sürü kaynağa dayalı göstermiş neredeyse 2 sayfa bilgilendirme var kaynak olarak. Hatta bu görüşünü çok net olarak savunmuş itiraz edenlere karşı . Kafa karışıklığı bunları takip etmek insan bildiğinden de şaşıyor. Tabi size sığınıyoruz hakklı olarak saygılarımla
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Hocam yazıyı buldum bu kadar kaynak göstermiş şimdi dikkatler Flor üzerinde. Vaktinizi alacak biliyorum ama görmenizi istedim saygılarımla.
Prof. Dr. Canan Karatay‘ ın yazısı:

Diş Macunlarının ve içme sularının da florür içermemesi amacıyla mücadele devam etmektedir.

Florürün çevresel kirlenmeye neden olan bir zehir olduğu kabül edilmekteddir.

Özellikle, bebek ve çocuklarda, diş çürüklerini önlemediğinin gösterildiğinin yanı sıra, Harvard Tıp Fakültesinden yapılan bilimsel çalışmalar, beyin ve sinir sistemlerinin gelişmesini önlediğini ve çocuklarda düşük IQ nedeni olduğu gösterilmiştir.

Ayrıca, beyinde temel bozukluklara neden olduğunu gösteren 23 adetden fazla bilimsel çalışma bulunmaktadır.

Aynı konuda da, yüzden fazla hayvan deneyleri bulunduğu ve sonuçları bildirilmektedir.

Bu çalışmaların hepsinde florürün, insanların hayvanların beyin ve sinir hücrelerinde çeşitli temel bozukluklar oluştuğu gösterilmiştir.

Beyin ve sinir hücrelerinde florür zehirlenmesi sonucu meydana gelen bozuklukları şu şekilde özetlememiz mümkündür:

1. Nikotinik asetilkolin düzeylerinin düştüğü, ve azaldığı,

2. Beyinde hippokampus hücrelerinin zarar gördüğü,

3. Alzheimer hastalığı belirtisi olan, beta-amyloid plaklarının oluşumuna neden olduğu, artırdığı,

4. Beyin hücrelerinin yağ, yani lipid mikterının azaldığı,

5. Purkinje hücrelerinin yapısının bozulduğu,6

6. Beyin hücrelerinin antioksidan defans sisteminin çöktüğü,

7. Beyin hücrelerine aliminyumun bağlanması ve tutunmasına neden olduğu,

8. Beyinde bulunan pineal organda furorürün biriktiği de gösterilmiştir.

Diş çürümesini önlemek istiyorsak, ŞEKER, TATLI, EKMEK, Şekerli gazlı içeceklerle mücadele etmemiz gerekmiyor mu?

Hekimlerimiz, diş hekimlerimiz, tüm yöneticelerimiz uyuyorlar mı?

Hastahanelere giden her çocuk ve bebek elinde bir lolipopla, hastahaneden ayrılıyor mu, ayrılmıyor mu?

ÇOCUĞUMA ŞEKER VERME

BEBEĞİME ŞEKER YÜKLEME

HAMİLEME ŞEKER YÜKLEME

SONUÇ:

Hippokrat M.Ö. V YY, ‘Önce Zarar Verme’, demedi mi?

Sağlıklı dişler ve sağlıklı bir organizma için, sağlıklı beslenme ve sağlıklı yaşama biçimi gerekiyor.

Kaynaklar:

1. Market Watch July 24,2012

2. Environmental Health Perspectives July 20, 2012

3. Fluoride Action Network Appendix 1

4. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Community Water Fluoridation, Safety.

***

Okuyuculardan gelen istek üzerine Canan Hoca’ nın gönderdiği önemli not:


Daha önce Özet olarak göndermiştim. Senelerden beri yapılagelen bazı kaynakalrı aşağıda bildiriyorum:







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Siz de bu yaziyi onlarin gozune sokun!!!
Bilhassa verdikleri referanslara dikkat edin... Tamami: "High dose" dan yani yuksek dozdan bahsediyor.
Butun dunyada kullanilan, optimum, yani tedavi edici dozdan pek ciddi bir haber yok..
Bu sahislari artik ogrenin...
Bu konu ile ilgili makalemi; Yazarlar kismindan okuyun.


  

Fluoridation: Don't Let the Poisonmongers Scare You

Bob Sprague
Mary Bernhardt
Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Fluoride is a mineral that occurs naturally in most water supplies. Fluoridation is the adjustment of the natural fluoride concentration to about one part of fluoride to one million parts of water. Although fluoridation is safe and effective in preventing tooth decay, the scare tactics of misguided poisonmongers have deprived many communities of its benefits.

The history of fluoridation in the United States underlines its unique standing as a public health measure copied from a natural phenomenon. In the early 1900s, Dr. Frederick S. McKay began an almost 30-year search for the cause of the staining of teeth that was prevalent in Colorado, where he practiced dentistry. In his investigation, McKay found the condition common in other states, including Texas, where it was known as "Texas teeth." In 1928, he concluded that such teeth, although stained, showed "a singular absence of decay," and that both the staining and the decay resistance were caused by something in the water. In 1931, the "something" was identified as fluoride.

The Public Health Service then took over to determine precisely what amount of fluoride in the water would prevent decay without causing staining. Years of "shoeleather epidemiology" by Dr. H. Trendley Dean traced the dental status of 7,000 children who drank naturally fluoridated water in 21 cities in four states. In 1943, he reported that the ideal amount of fluoride was one part per million parts of water. This concentration was demonstrated to result in healthy, attractive teeth that had one-third as many cavities as might otherwise be expected—and no staining.

The next step was to determine whether water engineering could copy nature's amazing dental health benefit. At several test sites, the fluoride concentration of the public water supply was adjusted to one part per million.

One such test was conducted in the neighboring cities of Newburgh and Kingston, New York. First, the children in both cities were examined by dentists and physicians; then fluoride was added to Newburgh's water supply. After ten years, the children of Newburgh had 58% fewer decayed teeth than those of nonfluoridated Kingston. The greatest benefits were obtained by children who had drunk the fluoridated water since birth. Other studies showed that teeth made stronger by fluoride during childhood would remain permanently resistant to decay. As the evidence supporting fluoridation accrued, thousands of communities acted to obtain its benefits.

Fluoridation opponents like to cite CDC statistics showing that the incidence of fluorosis among adolescents aged 12-15 rose from 22.6% in 1986-87 to 40.7% in 1999-2004. Taken by itself, that statement is factual but misleading. Questionable, very mild, and mild fluorosis and most cases of moderate fluorosis are barely visible and pose no problem whatsoever. In addition, it's been shown that teeth with fluorosis are more resistant to decay than teeth without fluorosis. The teeth may appear whiter than otherwise, but they are neither unattractive nor structurally damaged. Moreover, many people think that extra whiteness make the teeth more attractive. Severe fluorosis that adversely affects both appearance and function is close to zero among people who drink water that is optimally fluoridated.

In recent years, fluoridation has been reducing the incidence of cavities 20% to 40% in children and 15% to 35% in adults. The reduction is less than it used to be, probably due to improved dental hygiene and widespread use of fluoride toothpaste. Currently, more than 200 million Americans live in fluoridated communities. But many others receive public water supplies that are not fluoridated—thanks largely to the efforts of poisonmongers.

How Poisonmongers Work

The antifluoridationists' ("antis") basic technique is the big lie. Made infamous by Hitler, it is simple to use, yet surprisingly effective. It consists of claiming that fluoridation causes cancer, heart and kidney disease, and other serious ailments that people fear. The fact that there is no supporting evidence for such claims does not matter. The trick is to keep repeating them—because if something is said often enough, people tend to think there must be some truth to it.

A variation of the big lie is the laundry list. List enough "evils," and even if proponents can reply to some of them, they will never be able to cover the entire list. This technique is most effective in debates, letters to the editor, and television news reports. Another variation is the simple statement that fluoridation doesn't work. Although recent studies show less difference than there used to be in decay rates between fluoridated and nonfluoridated communities, the benefit is still substantial. In fact, the Public Health Service estimates that every dollar spent for community fluoridation saves about fifty dollars in dental bills.

A key factor in any anti campaign is the use of printed matter. Because of this, antis are very eager to have their views printed. Scientific journals will rarely publish them, but most local newspapers are willing to express minority viewpoints regardless of whether facts support them. A few editors even welcome the controversy the antis generate—expecting that it will increase readership.

The aim of anti "documents" is to create the illusion of scientific controversy. Often they quote statements that are out of date or out of context. Quotes from obscure or hard-to-locate journals are often used. Another favored tactic is to misquote a profluoridation scientist, knowing that even if the scientist protests, the reply will not reach all those who read the original misquote.

Half-truths are commonly used. For example, saying that fluoride is a rat poison ignores the fact that poison is a matter of dose. Large amounts of many substances—even pure water—can poison people. But the trace amount of fluoride contained in fluoridated water will not harm anyone.

"Experts" are commonly quoted. It is possible to find someone with scientific credentials who is against just about anything. Most "experts" who speak out against fluoridation, however, are not experts on the subject. There are, of course, a few dentists and physicians who oppose fluoridation. Some of them object to fluoridation as a form of government intrusion, even though they know it is safe and effective.

Innuendo is a technique that has broad appeal because it can be used in a seemingly unemotional pitch. Some antis admit that fluoridation has been found safe "so far," but claim that its long-range effects have "not yet" been fully explored. The waiting game is a related gambit in which antis suggest that waiting a bit longer will help to resolve "doubt" about fluoridation's safety. No doubt, some antis will continue to use this argument for a few hundred more years.

A few antis have offered a "reward" for proving that fluoridation is safe. During the 1970s, a $100,000 offer required the pros to post a bond "to cover any costs which the offerers of the reward might incur if the proof is deemed invalid." The offer did not state who would judge the evidence, but it was safe to assume that the antis themselves would have appointed the judges. If a suit had been filed to collect the reward, the court might have ruled that the offer was a gambling bet that should not be enforced by a court. Such a suit would have required at least $25,000 for the bond and legal fees. Even if it had been won, however, there was no assurance that the money would have been recovered from the individuals who sponsored the reward. Most of them were elderly and scattered widely throughout the United States and Canada.

Since the scientific community is so solidly in favor of fluoridation, antis try to discredit it entirely by use of the conspiracy gambit. The beauty of the conspiracy charge is that it can be leveled at anyone and there is absolutely no way to disprove it. After all, how does one prove that something is not taking place secretly? Favorite "conspirators" are the U.S. Public Health Service, the American Dental Association, the American Medical Association, and the aluminum industry. Apparently, in the minds of the antis, these groups could all be working together to "poison" the American people! Years ago, conspiracy claims would work primarily with the very paranoid. But modern-day government scandals may make them seem realistic to a wider audience.The "slippery slope" claim is a related gambit. "This is only the beginning!" the antis wail. "First they will add fluoride, then vitamin pills, and the next thing you know it will be birth control pills!" Who "they" are need not be specified. 


© 2013 Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Scare words will add zip to any anti campaign. Not only the more obvious ones like "cancer" and "heart disease," but also more specialized terms like "mongoloid births" and "sickle-cell anemia." Ecology words are also useful. Calling fluoride a "chemical" (rather than a nutrient) can strike fear in the minds of many Americans who fear we are already too "chemicalized." The fact that water itself is a chemical and the fact that responsible use of chemicals is extremely helpful to our society will not reassure everyone. Fluoride is also called "artificial" and "a pollutant," which is "against nature."

Faced with the fact that fluoridation merely copies a natural phenomenon, the antis reply that "natural" fluoride differs from "artificial" fluoride—a "fact" as yet undiscovered by scientists.

Suggesting alternatives is another common tactic. Here the antis propose that the community distribute free fluoride tablets to parents who wish to give them to their children. The suggested program sounds "democratic," but it will not be effective from a public health standpoint. Most parents are not motivated to administer the 4,000+ doses needed from birth through age twelve. The plea for alternatives is often made by a "neutral" individual who sounds like he will support an alternative program if water fluoridation is defeated. Don't bet on it. Such advocacy is almost always a propaganda ploy.

Once fluoridation has begun in a community, antis can resort to the "cause-of-all-evil" gambit—blaming fluoridation for everything that occurred after it started. An example of this tactic, one that backfired on opponents, took place in Cleveland on June 1, 1956—when fluorides were to be added to the city's water supply. That day, the phone calls began: "My goldfish have died." "My African violets are wilting." "I can't make a decent cup of coffee." "My dog is constipated." Although the basis of such complaints is emotional rather than physical, this time fluoridation's innocence was beyond question. Last-minute problems had delayed its start until July!

"Let the People Decide"

The antis' most persuasive argument, both to legislators and to the general public, is to call for a public vote. On the surface, this appears to be the democratic way to settle the issue. But the antis are dealing from a stacked deck. First, the people who need fluoridation the most—the children—do not vote. Second, it is not difficult to confuse voters by flooding the community with scare propaganda. Average citizens do not have the educational background to sort out claim and counterclaim or to judge which "authorities" to believe. To turn against fluoridation, they don't need to accept all the anti arguments—only one. The sheer bulk of the controversy is itself likely to arouse doubt in the minds of most voters.Antis who say, "Let the people decide," may sound as if they wish to use a democratic process to make the decision, but experience in many cities has shown otherwise. If fluoridation wins a referendum, the usual anti response is to work for another one. In some communities that allow repeated referendums on the same subject, fluoridation has been in and out, and in and out again. When this happens, not only do children suffer, but taxpayers are saddled with the cost of the referendums.Curiously, studies have shown that referendums can lose even in communities where public opinion favors fluoridation. People will usually go to the polls to vote against what they don't like. So the crucial factor in many referendums is the ability of proponents to mobilize the supporters. A 1998 Gallup Poll commissioned by the American Dental Association found that when asked "Do you believe community water should be fluoridated?" 70% of respondents believed that community water should be fluoridated, 18% did not, and 12% were undecided. Yet small numbers of vocal critics still manage to impede its implementation in many communities.

Cancer Scares

In the mid-1970s, John Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D. and another anti began issuing a series of reports claiming that fluoridation causes cancer. Experts concluded that these reports were based on a misinterpretation of government statistics. They had compared cancer death rates in fluoridated and nonfluoridated cities but failed to consider various factors in each city (such as industrial pollution) that are known to raise the cancer death rate. By 1977, independent investigations by eight of the leading medical and scientific organizations in the English-speaking world had refuted the claims, but they still surface today in many communities that consider fluoridation. In 1990, the cancer charge was raised again following an unauthorized release of data from an experiment in which rats and mice were exposed to high dosages of fluoride. The experiment was conducted by the National Toxicology Program, a branch of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. The agency's final report stated that there was no evidence of cancer-causing activity in female rats or in male and female mice and only "equivocal evidence" in male rats. Subsequent review by a U.S. Public Health Service panel concluded that the data were insignificant and that fluoridation posed no risk of cancer or any other disease.

Don't Be Misled

As a public health measure, fluoridation is unusual in several ways. It is a copy of a naturally occurring phenomenon. It is supported by libraries full of articles that document its safety and effectiveness—more so than any other public health measure. It is supported by a variety of health, scientific, and civic groups that could hardly be expected to agree on any other single measure. But most significant, it is the only health measure that is often put to public vote.If you live in a community with fluoridated water, consider yourself lucky. If you do not, don't let the poisonmongers scare you. Fluoridation is still a modern health miracle.

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This article was adapted from The Health Robbers: A Close Look at Quackery in America. In 1993, when the book was published, Bob Sprague was an assistant professor of journalism at Emerson College in Boston. Mary Bernhardt, a freelance journalist who specializes in dental topics, was administrator of the Research and Education Foundation of the American Association of Endodontists. From 1968 to 1976, she served as secretary of the American Dental Association's Council on Dental Health. Dr. Barrett has updated portions of this article.

This article was revised on March 30, 2013.


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